TPG Earnings Call

OperatorGood morning and welcome to the TPG's First Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. Currently, all callers have been placed in a listen-only mode, and following management's prepared remarks, the call will be open for your questions. If you would like to ask a question at that time, please press *1 on your telephone keypad. If you need to remove yourself from the queue, press *2. To get as many questions as time permits, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question. At any time, if you should need operator assistance, press star 0. Please be advised that today's call is being recorded. Please go to TPG's IR website to obtain the earnings materials. I will now turn the call over to Gary Stein, Head of Investor Relations at TPG. You may begin.

Gary SteinGreat. Thanks, operator, and welcome, everyone. Joining me today are Jon Winkelried, Chief Executive Officer, and Jack Weingart, Chief Financial Officer. In addition, our Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Jim Coulter, and our President, Todd Sisitsky, are here with us for the Q&A portion of this call. I'd like to remind you this call may include forward-looking statements that do not guarantee future events or performance. Please refer to TPG's earnings release and SEC filings for factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. TPG undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements except as required by law. Within our discussion and earnings release, we're presenting GAAP and non-GAAP measures. We believe certain non-GAAP measures that we discuss on this call are relevant in assessing the financial performance of the business. These non-GAAP measures are reconciled to the nearest GAAP figures in TPG's earnings release, which is available on our website.

Gary SteinPlease note that nothing on this call constitutes an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase an interest in any TPG fund. Looking briefly at our results for the first quarter, we reported a GAAP net loss attributable to TPG Inc. of $123 million and after-tax distributable earnings of $282 million or $0.70 per share of Class A common stock. We declared a dividend of $0.59 per share of Class A common stock, which will be paid on May 26th to holders of record as of May 11th. I'll now turn the call over to Jon.

Jon WinkelriedGood morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. TPG entered 2026 with strong momentum following a record year of capital formation and deployment. Our first quarter results reflect the continued acceleration of our growth objectives across the platform. Our fee-related earnings grew 36% year over year and exceeded $1 billion on an LTM basis for the first time in TPG's history. Our after-tax distributable earnings per share grew 46% compared to the first quarter of last year, and total AUM grew 22% to $306 billion. Our capital formation, deployment, and realization activity each delivered a step function increase year over year, growing 75%, 96%, and 103% respectively. Our performance this quarter is particularly notable given the complex macro backdrop. The convergence of AI disruption, private credit stress, and geopolitical conflict has created significant market uncertainty. However, our business is intentionally built to be resilient through cycles.

Jon WinkelriedOur long-duration capital base provides earnings stability and embedded growth, and we've delivered some of our best-performing vintages during periods of dislocation. We view the current environment as an opportunity, and we have never felt more confident in the positioning of our franchise, and our ability to successfully execute on our growth drivers. Our clients are leaning in and looking for additional ways to partner with us, and the momentum across our business continues to accelerate. Before I review the quarter, I want to provide additional context on two areas that are top of mind for our investors. First, the AI transformation and its implications to our investing business. And second, the state of private credit through the lens of our portfolio. I'll start with AI. AI has created significant disruption as well as opportunity across sectors, particularly in software. As we assess the impact of AI, we continue to see meaningful value in certain enterprise software models, and the strong performance across our software portfolio reinforces this view.

Jon WinkelriedWe've evaluated each of our software companies through a framework based on offensive opportunity, and defensive risk and have high conviction that the vast majority are well positioned to benefit from AI. Our software portfolio today is relatively young, with an average hold period of approximately 3 years. We are investing significant capital and specialized resources to ensure that these companies take full advantage of the opportunities that AI unlocks. Overall, our software companies continue to deliver strong results and are increasingly leveraging Agentic Solutions. This momentum was clearly reflected in the first quarter with aggregate bookings in our TPG Capital and TPG Growth software portfolio growing more than 20% year over year. Looking ahead, the impact of AI remains dynamic across industries and will continue to be an important input into our disciplined investment approach. TPG's relationships and differentiated access to leading AI companies gives us real-time visibility into how business models are evolving.

Jon WinkelriedThese insights directly inform our investment decisions and value creation plans, and we remain highly confident in our ability to continue delivering strong performance for our investors. Turning to private credit, while the asset class has been under heightened scrutiny more recently, Our credit portfolios are healthy and we have strong conviction in the long-term growth outlook for our business. Private credit has become an integral part of the global financing ecosystem as borrowers with increasingly complex capital needs seek speed, flexibility, and execution certainty. Although some retail-oriented credit vehicles are experiencing elevated redemptions in the current environment, institutional demand for enhanced yield continues to increase. As we look across our credit business, we're seeing accelerating growth driven by several dynamics. First, our strong performance during the quarter.

Jon WinkelriedEach of our credit strategies outperformed the respective benchmarks. Our returns remain at or above our targeted ranges, and we continue to maintain very low and stable loss ratios. Additionally, given our de minimis software exposure in credit, our portfolios are well insulated from broader industry concerns. Second, our differentiated credit strategies are resonating with clients who are increasingly looking to diversify their private credit exposure. Our direct lending business, Twinbrook, operates in the lower middle market, which is characterized by strong lender protections and more favorable competitive dynamics. Twinbrook's strategy is built around rigorous underwriting and cash flow lending with no ARR loans or PIK at origination. Its portfolio largely consists of senior secured first lien loans with financial covenants. In addition, as the revolver lender, Twinbrook benefits from an embedded early warning system to proactively identify and manage company-level stress.

Jon WinkelriedThird, while private wealth represents a relatively small portion of our capital base today, we continue to experience strong demand for our products in this channel. In the first quarter, TCAP, our non-traded BDC, reported gross inflows of $193 million and redemption requests of $31 million, representing just 1.3% of total shares outstanding, well below the industry average. TCAP ended the quarter with $4.7 billion of AUM, up 33% year over year. Additionally, given our attractive mix of credit strategies and strong performance, our clients have expressed interest in a TPG multi-strategy credit interval fund, which we plan to launch next year. And finally, current market dynamics are creating a compelling deployment opportunity in private credit. Having successfully scaled our capital base through 2025, we're well positioned with $19 billion of credit dry powder to execute on a broad range of opportunities.

Jon WinkelriedNow, review our, our activity in the quarter. Coming off a record 2025, we raised more than $10 billion of capital in the first quarter, which increased 75% year over year. In credit, following last year's positive inflection point, our baseline capital formation has fundamentally re-rated higher, and we raised $4.4 billion in the quarter. Notably, in February, We closed our long-term strategic partnership with Jackson Financial, which is off to a strong start and tracking ahead of our plan. We received $2 billion of initial commitments into our asset-based finance business, which we've started to deploy. And last week, we closed the Jackson rated note feeder in our middle market direct lending business. Looking ahead, we're focused on continuing to expand our credit capabilities across the return spectrum to reser— to reserve our broader base of clients. In private equity, we raised $4.9 billion in the quarter, including $925 million towards a rolling first close for RISE IV, our impact fund.

Jon WinkelriedWe also raised additional capital for TPG X and Healthcare Partners III, bringing total capital raised for these two funds to nearly $13 billion, including commitments that are signed but not yet closed. In real estate, we recently began raising for our fifth TREP opportunistic fund, and second Japan Value Fund and expect to launch our sixth Asia Real Estate Fund in June. Additionally, in our net lease business, we established several new strategic partnerships, raising $1 billion for our fifth fund through April, and we expect to complete fundraising in the second quarter. Within the private wealth channel, in addition to TCAP, we continue to see strong inflows into TPoP, our perpetual private equity product. Across the TPOP strategy, monthly subscriptions increased throughout the first quarter, driving $545 million of inflows and bringing total AUM to $2.1 billion at the end of March, just 10 months after our initial launch.

Jon WinkelriedOverall, we remain on track to raise more than $50 billion this year, supported by the strength and stability of our institutional client relationships. As this complex environment drives a wider dispersion of performance across the industry, we believe we're well positioned to continue taking market share given the differentiated returns we've delivered for our clients. Moving to deployment, we continued our robust pace with more than $14 billion invested in the quarter, which nearly doubled year over year. In credit, we deployed $5.7 billion of capital, up 42% year over year. This includes $2.5 billion in our asset-based finance business, where we continue to expand our market-leading position in home equity-related mortgage finance. We also completed several transactions in equipment finance receivables, as well as a new or upsized flow arrangements in both consumer and home improvement lending.

Jon WinkelriedIn middle market direct lending, despite the macro headwinds, Twinbrook generated $1.8 billion of gross originations in the quarter. Twinbrook's existing portfolio continues to be a powerful source of embedded origination with add-on acquisitions representing approximately 50% of deal flow in the quarter. We also added a dozen new borrowers bringing our portfolio to more than 310 companies. In Credit Solutions, we're seeing a growing demand for flexible, customized capital solutions as borrowers are increasingly seeking execution certainty amid heightened volatility. Stresses in certain parts of the credit market are creating attractive opportunities to lend to high-quality companies facing balance sheet pressure. During the quarter, our credit solutions team led a $450 million financing for a new joint venture with Xerox to manage and unlock value from certain IP assets. This deal demonstrates TPG's ability to provide creative, liquidity-enhancing solutions to address long-term capital structure needs.

Jon WinkelriedAcross our private equity strategies, we deployed nearly $7 billion of capital in the first quarter, which represents 2.5 times the capital invested in the prior year period. As we've highlighted previously, our approach to investing and portfolio construction continues to be a differentiator for TPG. By leveraging our proprietary sourcing engine, deep operational capabilities, and extensive experience in structured partnerships, we've built a distinctive private equity portfolio. In our two most recent TPG Capital funds, IX and X, approximately two-thirds of our investments have been corporate partnerships or carve-outs with meaningful downside protections, including several with put rights. These features provide increased transparency into exit timing, counterparty certainty, and in some cases, minimum return thresholds, which are particularly compelling in the current environment. Complex corporate carve-outs are a core strength of our platform and have generated strong historical returns for us.

Jon WinkelriedOur corporate partners often retain an ongoing equity ownership stake, creating strong alignment and shared incentives around long-term value creation. In March alone, we closed 4 carve-out transactions in TPG Capital. Across our GP-led secondaries business, our investment pipelines are accelerating as sponsors increasingly use solutions-oriented capital to drive liquidity. We expect industry deal volumes this year to exceed 2025, which was a record year for single asset CVs. During the quarter, our GP Solutions and Life Sciences funds partnered to close a $3.8 billion continuation vehicle for Curium Pharma, which is a global leader in nuclear medicine and diagnostics. Curium exemplifies the power of TPG's platform as one of the few scaled investors in GP-led secondaries with deep healthcare and life sciences expertise. The deal was sourced and completed through the close collaboration of our investment professionals across 4 platforms in 3 geographies.

Jon WinkelriedWe believe this is the largest single asset CV ever completed in Europe. Within our impact platform, the opportunity set continues to expand globally, driven by powerful and evolving market dynamics. Rising residential and industrial electricity demand, together with rapid scaling of AI and data centers, is placing unprecedented strain on power systems around the world. At the same time, the ongoing disruption across global energy supply chains driven by geopolitical conflict is accelerating the push for greater energy independence and security. Against this backdrop, we see a substantial and growing need to modernize and expand critical energy infrastructure and services, and TPG is playing a leading role in meeting these significant long-term capital requirements. In the first quarter, RISE Climate announced the acquisition of Sabre Industries, a leading provider of highly engineered infrastructure for power utilities, data centers, and telecom.

Jon WinkelriedSabre's mission-critical solutions are needed to support the modernization and reliability of America's electrical grid and to meet the increasing demands of large-scale data center development.

Jon WinkelriedTurning to real estate, we had an active deployment quarter across our strategies with $1.8 billion invested. TPG Real Estate closed 6 investments in the quarter, including a high-quality senior housing portfolio as well as a scaled grocery-anchored retail platform. Both are in needs-based sectors benefiting from recession resiliency and limited supply growth. Additionally, in Asia, we continue to capitalize on differentiated supply-demand dynamics and demographic shifts. We recently acquired a number of office assets in Japan where office fundamentals remain strong with low vacancy rates. We also initiated a multifamily development project in Seoul, and South Korea's rental housing market is undergoing a structural transformation driven by smaller households and rising homeownership prices. Finally, we're off to a strong start for monetizations in 2026, with nearly $9 billion realized in the first quarter, which doubled year over year.

Jon WinkelriedThis included the sales of One Oncology to Cencora and TPG Capital and Intersect Digital Power business to Google and Rise Climate. These two strategic exits were both achieved less than 4 years after our initial investment, generating highly attractive returns and demonstrating the power of TPG's corporate relationships and innovative deal structuring.

Jon WinkelriedBefore I hand it over to Jack, I want to highlight our continued momentum in launching and scaling new businesses. Organic innovation remains a core tenet of our growth as we strategically expand into areas where we believe we have a right to win. Over the past 3 years, we've raised approximately $13 billion of capital across our new and emerging strategies, and we expect to meaningfully scale that over time. To share a few highlights. First, in TPG Sports, we raised $1.1 billion for our inaugural fund through the end of April and recently announced our first investment to acquire Learfield, a leading media and technology company powering college athletics. Second, Advantage Direct Lending, our new core middle market direct lending strategy, has deployed nearly $600 million of capital across 16 investments through April, and we continue to receive strong investor interest. And lastly, TICA, our growth— our Asia growth equity strategy, has built a compelling portfolio across healthcare and technology, capitalizing on the opportunity set across Australia and Southeast Asia.

Jon WinkelriedWe expect to complete our inaugural fundraise over the summer. The success of these strategies and other new initiatives is a testament to our longstanding partnership approach in identifying and building next-generation investment opportunities with our largest institutional clients. I'll now turn the call over to Jack to walk through our financials.

Jack WeingartThank you, Jon, and thank you all for joining us today. TPG had a very strong start to the year, driving significant year-over-year growth despite the volatile macro backdrop. I'll begin by reviewing our financial results from the quarter. And then provide an updated outlook for the remainder of 2026. We ended the quarter with $306 billion of total assets under management, which grew 22% year over year. This was driven by $56 billion of capital raised and $22 billion of value creation, partially offset by $28 billion of realizations over the last 12 months. Our fee-earning AUM grew 23% to $175 billion at the end of March. AUM subject to fee earning growth totaled $45 billion at the end of the quarter, including $33 billion of AUM not yet earning fees, with the largest component coming from our credit platform. Following a very successful credit fundraising period, we're well positioned to deploy capital into an expanding set of compelling opportunities in the current environment.

Jack WeingartOur credit platform generally earns fees on deployment, and we have visibility into approximately $140 million of annual revenue opportunity as this capital is put to work. We reported fee-related revenue of $557 million in the first quarter, up 17% year over year. This was driven by management fee growth of 15% and transaction and monitoring fee growth of 33%. Excluding catch-up fees, management fees grew 3% sequentially and 18% year over year. On the capital markets side, our revenue opportunity has continued to grow due to our robust deployment pace as well as the broadening of our capabilities across all platforms and geographies. In the first quarter, we generated fees from 25 different transactions across 9 strategies, demonstrating our continued success in diversifying this revenue stream. We believe our capital markets business will continue to be a significant contributor to our FRR growth over time.

Jack WeingartFee-related earnings for the quarter were $247 million, which grew 36% year over year. As Jon mentioned, on an LTM basis, our FRE crossed $1 billion for the first time in our firm's history. This is a significant milestone for TPG and represents a 31% annualized growth rate since our IPO. Our FRE margin was 44.3% in the quarter, which is a 620 basis point expansion from the first quarter of '25. As expected, cash comp and benefits were seasonally elevated in the first quarter due to a $15 million employer tax expense associated with the annual vesting of RSUs. We continue to realize the benefits of greater operating leverage across our firm and remain confident in our ability to achieve a full year 2026 FRE margin of 47%. We generated $68 million in realized performance allocations in the quarter, exceeding the $50 million we had previously guided to. This was anchored by the strategic sales of One Oncology and Intersect Power.

Jack WeingartLooking ahead, while the current market volatility may impact the timing of realizations across the industry, we maintain an active pipeline of liquidity prospects across each of our strategies and expect to continue generating strong DPI for our fund investors. Moving to our balance sheet, we used our revolver to fund $500 million investment in Jackson common stock in connection with the closing of our strategic partnership in February. We subsequently issued $500 million of senior notes and used the proceeds to pay down our revolver. Consequently, our interest expense increased to $26 million in the quarter. And as of March 31st, we had $2.3 billion of net debt and $1.7 billion of available liquidity to fund additional growth initiatives. The seasonal RSU vesting I discussed earlier also generated tax deductions, resulting in an effective corporate income tax rate of 8.3% in the first quarter.

Jack WeingartWe expect our tax rate to remain in the high single digits to low double digits until we utilize our remaining deductions. Altogether, we reported first quarter after-tax distributable earnings of $282 million or $0.70 per share Class A common stock. Moving on to value creation in our investment portfolios. In private equity, fundamentals across our portfolios continue to be strong. While valuations for certain companies experienced multiple compression reflecting broader public market valuation resets, underlying financial performance remains healthy. Our portfolio companies across our capital, growth, and impact platforms generated LTM revenue and EBITDA growth in the mid to high teens. Continuing to outperform the broader market. During the quarter, the value of our PE portfolio declined 1%, reflecting generally lower average valuation multiples, partially offset by strong earnings growth. Turning to credit, the performance of our portfolios across strategies continues to be strong, resulting in attractive returns relative to public benchmarks.

Jack WeingartOur credit platform appreciated 2% in the first quarter, and 11% over the last 12 months. Digging a bit deeper, in middle market direct lending, we continue to see the benefits of our disciplined underwriting and our focus on the senior-most part of the capital structure. Our portfolio has maintained a conservative average loan-to-value of 42% at closing, and our borrowers continue to generate healthy organic EBITDA growth. As a result, nonaccruals remain extremely low at just over 1%, and our average interest coverage ratio has held steady at over 2x. Credit Solutions, we continue to deliver significant alpha by providing highly negotiated bespoke financings focused on senior secured cash pay instruments often attached to specific assets and collateral. In the first quarter, our second and third flagship funds generated time-weighted net returns of 2.4% and 6%, respectively. Both funds meaningfully outperformed the U.S. High Yield Bond Index, which was negative for the same period.

Jack WeingartOur strong performance was driven by broad-based appreciation across our portfolios and the successful monetizations of several positions, including XAI, Dish DBS, and Optimum Communications. Lastly, in asset-based finance, our portfolios are anchored by strong structural protections and collateral support across our high conviction investment themes. Our first ABC fund's net IRR since inception remains in the top half of its target range at 11.6% at the end of the first quarter. Our Mortgage Value Partners fund generated net returns of 1.3% in the quarter, bringing LTM returns to 8.2%, outpacing many broader credit indices with significantly less volatility. Our real estate platform appreciate— appreciated approximately 2% in the first quarter and more than 8% over the last 12 months. These returns were driven by the continued strength of our data center, industrial, and senior living portfolios in the U.S. and hospitality and office investments in Asia.

Jack WeingartTurning to our fundraising outlook. We continue to expect capital raising to exceed $50 billion this year. Following the $10 billion we raised in the first quarter, we expect our remaining fundraising to be weighted toward the back half of the year driven by the following. In private equity, first, the completion of our TPG Capital X and Healthcare Partners III campaigns by the end of the year. Second, final closes for our Rise Climate private equity funds, TRC2, and the Global South Initiative. As of the end of April, we've raised $9 billion across the two funds and related vehicles, including capital that's been committed but will close at a later date. We expect to complete our— excuse me, complete our campaign in the third quarter. Third, continued progress across our Climate Infrastructure, GP Solutions, Tech Adjacencies, RISE, Sports, and Asia Growth Equity Funds. And fourth, initial closes for our next-generation funds for PepperTree and TPG Next.

Jack WeingartIn credit, I would highlight the following: further commitments from our long-term strategic partnership with Jackson to our middle market direct lending platform, final closes for our 6th Twinbrook direct lending and 2nd asset-based credit drawdown funds, an initial close for our 4th essential housing fund, additional closes for hybrid solutions, continuous fundraising across our evergreen vehicles, including Advantage Direct Lending, and the formation of additional CLOs in various SMAs. In our real estate platform, we continue to expect 2026 to mark the beginning of a multi-year major fundraising cycle. This includes the next vintage— vintages across our TPG Real Estate Partners, Asia Real Estate, Japan Real Estate Value, and TPG AG US Real Estate Strategies. Finally, I'd like to share some thoughts on private wealth and our progress and priorities in the channel. Retail investors remain underallocated to the private markets with less than 5% penetration today and significant runway for future growth over many years.

Jack WeingartWe view the near-term industry headwinds in credit retail vehicles as cyclical rather than structural and continue to see strong demand across the industry in private equity, infrastructure, and secondaries, with early signs of renewed interest in real estate as well. At TPG, we believe we are well positioned to grow in the private wealth channel. I spend a meaningful amount of my personal time on our wealth efforts, and the feedback I've received from distribution partners and financial advisors has been overwhelmingly positive. Our differentiated investment style and strong performance are, are truly resonating, and demand continues to grow for TPG's products. As a result, our private wealth inflows in the first quarter grew more than 130% year over year. Looking ahead, we see a clear path to accelerating inflows as we continue to grow with our existing partners and expand our distribution network globally.

Jack WeingartEarlier this week, in fact, we formally launched TPoP with an important new international distribution partner, which will begin contributing capital in June. And we have several additional distribution partners in the pipeline for TPoP in the coming quarters, as we continue to strategically build out our global distribution footprint. In addition to expanding distribution for existing evergreen products, we're actively working on launching new products, including a non-traded REIT, as well as a multi-strategy credit interval fund. Similar to TPoP, these funds will provide investors with exposure to the full breadth of our investing strategies across each asset class. Overall, we expect our private wealth franchise to be a significant contributor to TPG's long-term growth. The strong financial and operating results we reported today, including crossing the billion-dollar LTM FRE threshold this quarter, are a direct result of our multiyear focus on scaling our investment platforms and driving meaningful operating leverage across our firm.

Jack WeingartAs we head into the balance of 2026, we have clear line of sight into continued growth and margin expansion and creating meaningful long-term value for our investors. With that, I'll turn the call back to the operator to take your questions.

OperatorAt this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star 2. Again, please limit yourself to 1 question. We'll take our first question from Glenn Schorr with Evercore. Your line is open.

Glenn SchorrHi. Thanks very much.

Gary SteinSo—.

Jack WeingartHello.

OperatorHello.

Glenn SchorrWith so much good stuff going on, forgive me, I'm going to pick at the one issue that I can possibly find. So I'm curious if you could help us think through the marks in PE in the quarter. It seemed to be very focused on the 2020 and prior vintage. Which is a good chunk of the net accrued. So the question is just how broad are those— a few specific names, how broad are those? Obviously, we want to know if there's— how much software-related. And then how you feel about now with the markets up and these fresh remarks, how you feel the exit environment is for that piece of the portfolio. Very much appreciated.

Jack WeingartHey, Glenn, thanks for the question. I would characterize this as I mentioned in my comments on the call, that the overall private equity valuation change during the quarter was really driven by us choosing to take down our valuation multiples consistent with what we saw in the public markets. You know, like we always do in our valuation process, we take into account multiple factors. We rerun DCF analyses. We do look at public market comps, private market comps, transactions in the company's equity.

Jack WeingartOverall, I would characterize it as a broad-based decision to reflect market changes during the quarter, which is— which as of March 31st, we don't refresh that during the month of April because we value as of the end of the month. Obviously, things have bounced back a bit during the month of April, but we did take multiples down broadly and it was offset by very strong earnings growth. To give you a little more color behind that, in the TPG Capital portfolio, The overall impact of earnings growth was an increase— would have been an increase in values by $1.2 billion. The impact of multiple reductions was negative $2.4 billion. So it really was strong earnings growth offset by broad-based changes in our valuation multiples. In our growth platform, it would have been an increase of $600 million from earnings growth offset by $1.1 billion of value decline from bringing valuation multiples down. So that's kind of the overall characterization of what drove the changes.

Jack WeingartObviously, if market conditions continue to improve, we'll reflect those increasing valuation multiples.

Todd SisitskyAnd it was company by company. Bottoms up. I mean, each one of these valuations is also company by company. And Glenn, the thing I just wanted to make sure I added here, I'm really excited about this portfolio. You know, we move through different cycles. Good markets, bad markets. This is a portfolio across private equity I think we'd be excited about in any environment. And, and it's, you know, it's continued to perform very well. It's been very steady quarter over quarter. Some of those leading indicators, the software bookings, as Jon mentioned, actually are, are stronger still. The other thing I just would point out, you know, we had two strategic exits in the context of the quarter which were important, one to Google and one to Cencora. And, you know, both of those exits happened at premiums to our marks. So I think our, you know, our track record of trying to be down the middle but also create opportunities for upside around strategic exits is pretty consistent.

Glenn SchorrVery helpful. Thanks so much.

OperatorOur next question comes from Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Alex BlosteinHi, good morning. Thank you for taking the questions. Well, I was hoping to dig a little bit more into the credit business and how it's positioned for current environment. We've seen accelerating fundraising from you guys there for the last couple of quarters. And to your point, the dry powder remains quite, quite elevated. As you look out into the opportunities that are likely to present themselves in the next 12 months, which part of the credit verticals do you expect to be most active? And are there any implications on the fee rates we should consider as well? Because I think those do differ quite a lot by different verticals. Like, I think credit solutions tends to be a little higher, some others tend to be a little lower. So kind of deployment outlook and the blend of that on the fee rates. Thanks.

Jon WinkelriedThanks, Alex. Yeah, I think as you can tell from the quarter and our results, deployment opportunities have been healthy, and I think we continue to see that the case as we, you know, continue through the year.

Jon WinkelriedI would say that just to start with you, with where you ended, looking at our Credit Solutions business based on what we see going on in the markets overall, the increased volatility, There are areas where there is balance sheet stress in the market. There's much more dispersion in terms of how certain names in the credit markets are being valued. And with the, the interconnectivity, besides obviously the quality of our, of our capabilities and our team and credit solutions, with the interconnectivity that we have also across the firm, the connectivity with our private equity franchise, What we're seeing is opportunities being sourced on both the credit side of the house and on the equity side of the house that are providing really interesting financing opportunities for us in credit solutions. And I would say the pipeline of opportunities there has never been stronger. And we're trying to, you know, we're trying to do exactly what you would expect we would do, which is to sift through what the opportunity set looks like to find things that are going to be the most interesting to us and that we choose to execute on.

Jon WinkelriedYou're right that obviously that tends to be, you know, with it being sort of a value-add part of the market, you know, that is, that obviously tends to be a higher-fee construct pool of capital. But I think that Overall, I think we're going to continue to see a lot of interesting opportunities there. And I would say that we feel like we're in a category of very few firms in terms of our capability set there, both looking at historical capability and returns. And in this environment, as our LPs are looking around for opportunities to deploy capital. Where should they be shifting? I mean, I think that over between the fourth quarter of last year and the first quarter of this year, the conversations we're having with LPs, I would say, are distinct in the sense that people are really trying to find the areas where, where, you know, premium returns will be available in the market as a result of what's going on.

Jon WinkelriedSo I would say that, you know, the kind of questions that we're getting from our LPs is creating an increased focus on people wanting to partner with us to deploy capital in those kinds of opportunities. And then the second area I would say is in our asset-based finance business and in structured credit broadly. I would say if there's an area where I see the opportunity for us both as a result of both our insurance relationships as well as, you know, large institutions looking to diversify exposures, looking to diversify exposures away from EBITDA risk. We continue to see that as a very substantial growth area for us across a number of different verticals in that space, whether it's, you know, the— whether it's whole business securitization, whether it's resi— residential, the residential mortgage market, non-qualified mortgage market, things like that. So I would say that those are the two areas where I would point you to.

Alex BlosteinGreat. Super helpful. Thank you.

OperatorOur next question will come from Craig Siegenthaler with Bank of America Securities. Your line is open.

Craig SiegenthalerHey, good morning, everyone. Hope you're all doing well. I wanted to follow up on a comment you made earlier on the call relating to your software P-Book. Jon, you talked about investing significant capital and specialized resources to ensure that these companies take full advantage of the opportunities that AI unlocks. Should we assume that this could include follow-on investments? And does that mean that Fund X could invest in a Fund VIII portfolio company? And then separate from your existing portfolio companies, what is your appetite to lean into cheaper public software valuations today and take privates over the near term?

Jon WinkelriedOkay, I'm going to let Todd handle—.

Jack WeingartTake that.

Todd SisitskyYeah, first, just on the more specific question, the way that we really, unless it starts at the outset, when we have an investment at the end of a fund life, we do not start to cross and come in from new funds. What we do at the end of a fund cycle is that we maintain reserves in order to be able to support companies for hopefully offensive and also for defensive reasons. And so we feel comfortable with the reserves we have in the, you know, in the funds that we have in the ground. I think your broader question is, you know, you know, do we see opportunities? And the answer is yes. We're very selective. There are a series of characteristics, things that we, that we look for in software companies. And from our perspective, we have seen some really interesting opportunities. So if you look at what we've done, you know, recently, just to give two quick examples and maybe give some, some color to that, both of what I'm going to describe are sort of fall in that carve-out and corporate partnership dynamic that has been such a rich area for us as a private equity franchise.

Todd SisitskyThe first is Velotic, which is essentially the merger of two carve-outs at very attractive multiples for market leaders in the industrial software space, something we've studied for years. It's a software space that's very closely integrated with operational systems and real-world workflows, which makes it quite defensive. And we see a lot of opportunity from an AI application standpoint. These have been companies that really haven't got that degree of focus and investment that we have, to your question about the resources we bring to the table. Partner with an A+ management team. So those were two of the carve-outs actually that were completed in March. Another one we just finished carving out, we've owned for about a month, is Optum UK. It's a healthcare IT business, again, playing to both our strength in, in software and healthcare. It's a data asset with a firm perimeter, so clear data moat. It's deeply embedded across the UK healthcare system.

Todd SisitskyAgain, we've owned it for about a month. We've already launched our first AI-based product. Both of these businesses are very defensive. We feel comfortable and excited about the entry multiple. We have great teams to drive them. So we feel like there's a lot of opportunity out there.

Jim CoulterJim Coulter. Craig, I just note also that having watched disruption cycles over time, what's interesting to me about this one is that the early discussion has been all on defense, which is probably appropriate. But I suspect about 9 months from now there's going to be a shift in tone to the to the second question you asked, which is where can firms like ours play offense on AI? I personally believe this will be the most positive weapon that we've seen in a long time in private equity because we are, and particularly at TPG, we are change agents, and this is going to be a great opportunity for change. So I suspect we'll be talking about defense for the next 3 to 6 months. By the end of this year, I think we'll probably be talking about offense in which firms can play that in this environment.

Craig SiegenthalerThank you, Jim. Todd.

OperatorOur next question comes from Brian Bedell with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Brian BedellGreat, thanks. Good morning, folks. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just to shift the conversation a little bit back to the impact franchise. I appreciate your comments, Jon, on the need for, you know, higher— with a the higher electricity demand given AI data center buildout. Maybe if you guys could comment on how you see this playing out over the next 1 to 2 years, both on the data buildout and also the supply chains that you mentioned, that's the stress from geopolitical issues and the stress on fossil fuels. And whether you see this as being a reacceleration of the energy transition theme, and then how can you position TPG to benefit from that, specifically on deployment, and then also more fundraising within the climate franchise broadly?

Jim CoulterThank you for that question. It's Jim Coulter. We haven't touched on this for a few calls, so it's probably a good time to check in because it's been both a fascinating and quite positive period in particularly the climate portion of our impact platform. As Jon mentioned, fundraising has picked up after what was a natural pause in the middle of last year. And we're over $11 billion now fund cycle versus a fund cycle last time of $7 billion. And we're heading towards our final closes. But what's more interesting is what's happening on the ground, because while the discussion of decarbonization has gone down, maybe crowded out by other concerns. Climate has gotten worse and the actual activity has gone up. Spending was up quite substantially globally and even in the US last year. As we talk about electricity, over 90% of the electricity addition was renewables and it should continue in that direction for the next few years.

Jim CoulterAnd it's not just about decarbonization, it's obviously about electrification. As you think about energy, fossil fuels are advantaged for heat, renewables are advantaged for electricity. And finally, energy security. The Strait of Hormuz may be bad for many things, but it's good for our business here, which is people are concerned about their— and on the climate side, because people are concerned about their energy supply chain, and renewables is one way to address that. Around the world. So if you take that into our business, if you look at our last year, in spite of the lower discussion of this part of our business, it was our biggest deployment year and our biggest realization year. And if you look underneath that, you find quite interesting activities of $6 billion data center initiative with Tata in India, you know, $5 billion sale of our digital power business to Google. At the same time, we're launching the largest battery project in the world in California, grid services at Pike.

Jim CoulterSo a real pickup, I think, overall in what's happening in the business and a pickup that I think should accelerate in future years. So we have a product that's on the right side of this trend and frankly, on the right side of carbon, which long term I think is a good place to be. And I think that will bode well. Our clients have figured that out also. The private market has figured that out. And it's interesting, the public market has figured that out. A lot of discussion of the Mag 7, but the Clean Energy Index absolutely trounced the Mag 7 last year. So this kind of activity level, I think, bodes well for the future with the understanding that these markets are always fascinating and complex.—.

Brian BedellGreat color. Thank you.

OperatorOur next question comes from Ken Worthington with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Ken WorthingtonHi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So it was a good deployment quarter. Transaction fees and capital market fees were strong this quarter. You've got some pretty big deals in pipeline. I think Hologic just closed, Curium, VM, Kinetik. How should we think about some of these bigger deals translating into capital markets and transaction fees as the time comes?

Jack WeingartHey, Ken, it's Jack. Look, as you know, the translation of deal flow into capital markets fees will be deal dependent. On larger deals, we're more likely to use the syndicated loan markets, which don't translate quite directly as through to us placing the entire debt capital structure. On Hologic, we did play an important role, but it was a more broadly syndicated debt capital structure. We do, as I mentioned on the call, continue to believe that capital markets is a real business that we continue to build. We built it across the entire firm. We're just starting to see the benefit of that in areas like the credit business. So there's like a long-term growth trajectory to that business. Predicting it in one quarter is hard. We don't have visibility into a quarter like Q4 where we had a massive quarter based on a handful of very concentrated large deals. But we do have visibility into continued long-term growth of that business.

Ken WorthingtonOkay. So nothing to call out for 2Q?

Jack WeingartNo.

Ken WorthingtonOkay. Thank you.

OperatorOur next question comes from Brian McKenna with Citizens. Your line is open.

Brian McKennaOkay, great. Thanks. Morning, everyone. So what are you hearing from your larger LPs as it relates to your lower middle market direct lending strategy? Performance at Twinbrook remains quite healthy and differentiated. Tcap return 2.5% net in the first quarter, 10.5% net last year. So I'm wondering if there's a, you know, if this differentiation is starting to accelerate institutional flows into the strategy.

Jon WinkelriedGood question. The answer is yes. I think that, and I think the performance combined with the fact that, you know, we, you know, one of the interesting aspects of the market over the last several years is that there's been very little dispersion within the lending space, whether or not you're, you know, you're looking at upper middle market or lower middle market. And it's been sort of, you know, very consistent, steady, and spreads generally quite compressed, you know, in the market. We're starting to see that change. You know, portfolios are not all acting the same. And as a result of that, we're, you know, we're seeing differences in terms of how we're performing relative to perhaps other pools of capital. And so as a result of that, it goes back to— I think I mentioned it just briefly before. The conversations that we're having with our institutional clients are all focused on how to think about diversification across the space.

Jon WinkelriedAnd I would say that this, the dislocation, to the extent there's been some dislocation and nervousness about certain parts of the market, I think that has woken up a number of institutional LPs to look at their allocations and think about diversification and what parts of the market haven't they paid as much attention to. And naturally, lower middle market is now getting more attention as a result of that. The structure of the business, as I mentioned in my comments, is quite different. You know, in the upper middle market, you're competing essentially— upper middle market direct lending is competing directly with banks and broadly syndicated loans. Our business does not compete with banks. You know, in our business, we also are usually the only lender or certainly the lead lender, and as I mentioned in my comments, you know, we're also controlling the revolving— the revolver within the context of the relationship.

Jon WinkelriedAnd so that gives you certain advantages in terms of understanding what's going on inside these companies on a real-time basis. So our clients are really figuring this out, and, you know, we're seeing, you know, quite a bit of interest in the space, and I think it's gonna continue to grow. The other thing I guess I would say, which is important in terms of the dynamics of the flow, is that, again, a substantial portion, almost half of our flow, is internally generated by the existing portfolio in terms of add-ons. So, that's also, when you think about a risk-controlled way of allocating capital, you know your portfolio obviously, you know, intimately well and have relationships with the sponsors. So, as a result of that internally generated flow, you know, the risk dynamics of how we're allocating capital also are slightly different. I think it's, you know, I think it's an area where we've got clearly increased interest.

Jon WinkelriedYou also are seeing the— on the BDC side, you're also seeing differentiation there now. Just by virtue of the flows that I talked about as it relates to TCAP, you're also seeing differentiation in the market there as well. So, you know, we're very encouraged by what, you know, by what's happening.

Brian McKennaAwesome. Thanks, Jon.

Jon WinkelriedGood.

OperatorOur next question comes from Mike Brown with UBS. Your line is open.

Mike BrownGreat. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I believe you guys have exposure to some of the large AI/LLM companies in your, in your private equity portfolio, some of which could be candidates for the public markets over time here. Can you maybe just outline where those positions sit from a fund perspective. Is it in the growth or maybe tech adjacency fund and how those are currently marked and maybe how you would think about that realization strategy and pacing if and when some of those companies ultimately go public?

Jon WinkelriedYeah, absolutely. Thanks for the question. You know, we have, we have, as you said, a portfolio of, of AI-focused companies. And they are primarily in our tech adjacency fund in TPoP. They include, you know, Anthropic and OpenAI and SpaceX. We have a few other investments that we, you know, we've been doing a lot of work on that would end up in, in capital and hybrid. So it actually is, it's a pretty broad exposure across our private equity platform. And, you know, and our view is that's been great not only for the investments which continue to move in the right direction for us, but also for the connectivity to all the OpenAI players, which has been very helpful for us, both in creating opportunities and engaging with our own portfolio companies and building our own expertise. So I think that will continue to be a vibrant part of what we're doing. And it certainly helps that we're— that we have our team on the private equity side based in San Francisco.

Jon WinkelriedAnd then on the exit front, I think it's hard to tell. Of course, we're not in control of a number of those companies. So you're reading the headlines won't be that much different that different from what, from what we know. I do think that we should expect somewhere between 1 and 3 of the large companies to go public over the course of the next year to 18 months and probably 1 or 2 of those in a shorter timeframe.

OperatorOur next question will come from Ben Budish with Barclays. Your line is open.

Ben BudishHi, good morning, and thank you for taking the question. I wanted to ask about some of your upcoming fundraising and thoughts on what the sort of distribution environment means. You know, over the last few years, there's sort of been an increasing trend towards flagship fundraising taking longer, smaller first close, bigger final close. I'm curious, you know, near term it sounds like you've got pretty good line of sight, but how are you thinking about the potential cadence of, you know, the real estate funds, which you indicated are about to come back in size and be raising over the next couple of years? You know, how does LP appetite look like look for that asset class? And, you know, what sort of macro factors should we be looking at that will inform whether or not we get back to a more normal fundraising cadence or, you know, what we've seen lately, this sort of elongated cadence? Thank you.

Jon WinkelriedWell, let me just comment on the real estate part of it. Maybe then Jack could give a little color on sort of the kind of pattern of fundraising. But on the real estate front, you know, we've talked now for, you know, probably the better part of the last year and a half about both the kind of renewed interest that we're seeing from institutional LPs in the asset class. We've been in a fortunate position in that we've had quite a bit of dry powder in the space, and as a result of that, have been pretty active in terms of taking advantage of opportunities that have been created as a result of the interest rate cycle that we went through and some of the other dislocation factors, whether it was COVID and the dislocation in office,— and then obviously the spike in interest rates. That created a dynamic where there were a lot of assets that were frozen. There were a lot of managers, I think, in the space that basically were kind of handcuffed in terms of their ability to be proactive.

Jon WinkelriedWe have fortunately not been in that position. So, as a result of that, the last— I'd say the last year or plus, we've seen some of the best opportunities that we've seen in a very long time. And we see a sort of a structural shift in the market. In terms of the competitive dynamic as well as who has capital to solve problems in the space.

Jon WinkelriedYou know, I mentioned in my comments a couple of really interesting deployment opportunities that we've had. For instance, you know, things like grocery-anchored retail where we've made a big investment. Opportunities that we see in Asia, Japan as an example, with office and hospitality. You know, we're seeing global opportunities across the space. And as we've begun to roll out our fundraising progress in our opportunistic fund, in our Asia fund, our net lease fund, I think we see significant increase in interest across both the higher return opportunistic space as well as, you know, what you would think of as kind of income-oriented opportunities in real estate. Jack mentioned briefly in his comments some of the beginnings of what we see as retail demand in the space as well. Not surprising that, you know, some form of real assets that generate income would be interesting in this environment.

Jon WinkelriedSo I think we're quite bullish, knock wood, that, you know, these fundraisers are gonna be, you know, strong. We're gonna get very strong reception in the market.

Jack WeingartYeah, I would— alongside real estate, I would think about PepperTree, the infrastructure business focused on cell towers, where a lot of the same dynamics exist. And we're—. What we've launched, the next generation fund for PepperTree, and are seeing equally strong demand there. When I talked in my comments about the backloading of the remainder of our fundraising for the year, I'd say there are really two things behind that. One is that most of these most or all of the real estate and pepper tree fundraising that we're talking about is really gonna have closings for the first time in the back half of the year. So that's gonna be a natural kind of kicker to fundraising in the back half of the year. The other dynamic is the barbell effect in private equity. We continue to see very strong demand. I think you asked about realizations. We continue to be differentiated with LPs in our consistent production of DPIs.

Jack WeingartThat's not a limiter for us in demand for investing with us in private equity. We did have an unusually successful start to the TPG Capital campaign with TPG X and healthcare partners raising over $12 billion last year. The remainder of that fundraising we have good visibility on, but it's going to have the natural typical barbell effect where the remainder of the capital chose not to come in the first close because they want to come in toward the later end of the close. Which will be the back half of this year.

Ben BudishAll right. I thank you both.

OperatorOur next question will come from Steven Chubak with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Steven ChubakHi, good morning and thanks for taking my question. So I wanted to ask on AI risk across the broader portfolio. You spoke of the comprehensive review of the software book, noted the vast majority of the portfolio companies in software are arguably beneficiaries of AI. But just wanted to see if you've done a similar review assessing AI risk across the broader private equity portfolio beyond software. And just given the negative PE marks that you noted were largely attributable to changes in multiple versus any signs of deteriorating fundamentals, whether that change was a function of multiple contraction in the public markets or just internal expectations for EBITDA growth to potentially moderate across the broader portfolio.

Todd SisitskyYeah, just to start on the last part of your question, it was distinctively just the public marks coming down and us feeling like you need to flow those through. You know, as Jack pointed out, that was the end of the quarter, was a particular low point, at least recent low point in the market. But it was— there's no change in our view of the prospects of these businesses. And in fact, again, there's some leading indicators that feel like they picked up. You know, to your broader question, we have done a systematic review of the risks in and outside of software. You know, software does feel like the area that's most exposed to AI. You know, when we look across our private equity portfolio, you know, the TPG Capital business is the one with the most software exposure. You know, as we've told you before, we sold everything in TPG7, the 2015 vintage fund. So there's all the software businesses are out of that fund.

Todd SisitskyTPG 9 and 10 is a very— those are two recent portfolios. 10 Is really just being built. We feel very good about those portfolios. The businesses are really well positioned relative to AI. That was a core part of our deal underwriting in all of those cases. So it leaves us with TPG 8. You know, as a reminder, we've now returned half of that fund in cash and of the remaining value of $13.7 billion. I think our work showed us that we had 7% that we would characterize in the mitigate category, where we do perceive some, you know, material risk from AI. So we're of course supporting the companies in the mitigate category. We see a lot of upside in the broader portfolio in that fund. In fact, over 60% of that fund is in what we characterize as outperforming strong momentum. And within that group, we see a number of companies that we do believe have breakout potential to the upside. So in any event, that's how we've done our work as it relates to AI exposure.

Steven ChubakThat's great color. Thanks for taking my question.

OperatorOur next question comes from Arnaud Giblat with BNP Paribas. Your line is open.

Arnaud GiblatYeah, thank you. Good morning. A question on FRE margin guidance. Given the strong fundraising pipeline you have, the deployments and the likely impact on positive development on transaction fees. And considering the fact that costs just grew 5% core year-on-year this quarter, I'm just wondering how I square this up with your 47% guidance for FRE margins. Is there something to be aware of in terms of cadence of cost growth? I'm just trying to reconcile the potential upside I see here. Thank you.

Jack WeingartYeah, no, thanks for the question. Look, we've been consistent in talking about the fact that we are going to drive FRE margin expansion over time. We are going to keep investing in our business too. We're going to keep— we see lots of areas that we've talked about on the call that we're investing behind growth. The other thing I'd point out is if we hit our 47% margin target this year, it was 45% last year, it was 40% on a blended basis when we closed the Angelo Gordon acquisition. And the 45% margin last year had that unusually strong fourth quarter with the transaction and monitoring fees driving FRE margin up to 52%. So a 47% margin this year, I think, would be very healthy and would reflect continued operating leverage.

Arnaud GiblatGreat. Thank you very much.

OperatorOur next question comes from Bart Dziarski with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Bart DziarskiGreat. Thanks for taking my question and good morning, everyone. Just wanted to ask around the fundraising outlook. So you maintained your sort of $50 billion-plus guide, gave lots of color on the back half ramp and the products that will drive that. So thanks for that. But I wanted to ask more, you know, from the client perspective, like, are there any geographic regions that are driving that? Is it re-ups, share of wallet expansion, new LPs? I would love additional color on that front with regards to fundraising. Thanks.

Jack WeingartYeah, I'll start. It's Jack. I wouldn't call it anything notable in terms of changes in mix. We've got, as you know, a very broad and deep set of institutional clients and the same geographic mix we've experienced in prior funds. We see about the same in the current set of funds. I mentioned private wealth. Private wealth will be a part of that, will be a bigger part of it this year than it was last year, but it won't be a main driver. This will still be driven primarily by our large institutional relationships around the world and by our effective success at cross-selling and doing more across businesses. With our biggest relationships.

Jon WinkelriedThe only thing I would add is that we, you know, we have talked, you know, over the course of the last year plus about the growing number of strategic partnerships that we have, large strategic partnerships with institutional clients that have been, you know, partners of ours for a long time. And we've talked also about the fact that we continue to see the largest pools of capital in the world wanting to do more with fewer and selecting us as a core institutional partner. And in a number of cases, we have created strategic partnerships where we have some extent, um, uh, I, I would say enhanced visibility in terms of their partnership and their intent to partner with us across a range of strategies. Um, and so that also is a growing source of confidence as we go into these as we go into periods where obviously there's volatility in the world, et cetera. But I would say that, as Jack said, it's not a mix shift, but it's helpful that we're a partner of choice for the largest pools of capital in the world and they want to do more with us.

Bart DziarskiGreat. Thanks for taking the question.

OperatorOur next question comes from Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Michael CyprysHey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I always want to ask about AI. I was hoping you could update us on how you're deploying AI across the firm today, where it has meaningfully, materially improved your processes, what sort of ROI you're seeing, and if you could talk about some of the use cases that you're looking to put into production over the next 12 to 24 months. Thank you.

Jon WinkelriedThanks, Mike. Well, a couple of things. I mean, I think we have had for a while now, and I think we've communicated this, you know, when, you know, we have a group of engineers and a team within our tech group that has been developing tools that have been rolled out systematically to the firm, built on some of, obviously, the large language models. But customized for what we're doing here at the firm. We have very high engagement across the firm in terms of productivity tools, probably something, you know, approaching 80% of the firm now is using, are using these tools on an active daily basis. So that's obviously a productivity tool. And, you know, we're strongly focused on continuing to train people to use those models very effectively.

Jon WinkelriedSo we have coaches that are roaming around the firm actually helping people figure out how to be more productive. The second thing I would say is that within our services organization, we are beginning to look at our— we're beginning to look at headcount, if I can use that term, both on a kind of a human and also agentic basis, and where are there opportunities for us to enhance productivity and in some cases limit headcount growth as a result of using, you know, AI agents in certain seats to do functions that we think currently we can do in an accurate and effective and efficient way. And so that's already part of our planning process.

Jon WinkelriedAs we continue to think about our use of the tool. I think the other thing, and Todd alluded to this before, is that we have, remember, we're, you know, our firm in many respects is centered in San Francisco. We are, you know, basically walking distance from the large LLM companies. And we have invested in them. We have ongoing important relationships with them, which will probably end up creating— you'll probably see us creating ongoing types of— some ongoing interesting partnerships with, you know, a select group of those companies. And so I think we have very good access to understanding how to engage and use the tools and also get the resources, frankly, because resources, resources are in some respects the scarce commodity right now in terms of engineering talent or people that really understand how to implement enterprise engagements in these models. And I think we feel like both doing that internally here as well as for our portfolio companies is something that we feel we're very well positioned to do.

Michael CyprysGreat. Thank you.

OperatorOperator.

OperatorAnd it appears that we have no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call over to Gary Stein for any closing remarks.

Gary SteinGreat. Thank you all very much for joining us today. If you have any follow-up questions, please feel free to reach out to the investor relations team. Otherwise, we'll look forward to speaking to you again next quarter.

Jon WinkelriedAnd that was Gary Stein.

Gary SteinThank you.

OperatorLadies and gentlemen, that will conclude today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at this time and have a wonderful rest of your day.