TDG Earnings Call

OperatorGood day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the TransDigm Group Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during this session, you'll need to press star 1 1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 1 1 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I'd now like to hand the conference over to Mary Hartman, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Mary HartmanThank you and welcome to TransDigm's Fiscal 2026 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Presenting on the call this morning are TransDigm's President and Chief Executive Officer Mike Lisman, Co-Chief Operating Officer Patrick Murphy, and Chief Financial Officer Sarah Wynne. Also present for the call today is our co-chief operating officer, Joel Reiss. Please visit our website at transdigm.com to obtain a supplemental slide deck and call replay information. Before we begin, the company would like to remind you that statements made during this call which are not historical in fact are forward-looking statements. For further information about important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed, or implied in the forward-looking statements, please refer to the company's latest filings with the SEC available through the investor section of our website or at sec.gov.

Mary HartmanThe company would also like to advise you that during the course of the call, we will be referring to EBITDA, specifically EBITDA as defined, adjusted net income, and adjusted earnings per share, all of which are non-GAAP financial measures. Please see the tables and related footnotes in the earnings release for a presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP measures, and applicable reconciliations. I will now turn the call over to Mike.

Mike LismanGood morning, and thanks for calling in today. First, I'll start off with the usual quick overview of our strategy. Second, make a few comments about the quarter. And third, discuss our fiscal '26 outlook. Then Patrick and Sarah will give some additional color on the quarter. To reiterate, we believe we are unique in the industry in both the consistency of our strategy in both good times and bad, as well as our steady focus on intrinsic shareholder value creation through all phases of the aerospace cycle. To summarize, here are some of the reasons why we believe this. About 90% of our net sales are generated by unique proprietary products. Most of our EBITDA comes from aftermarket revenues, which generally have significantly higher margins and over any extended period have typically provided relative stability in the downturns. We follow a consistent long-term strategy. First, we own and operate proprietary aerospace businesses with significant aftermarket content.

Mike LismanSecond, we utilize a simple, well-proven, value-based operating methodology. Third, we have a decentralized organizational structure and unique compensation system closely aligned with our shareholders. Fourth, we acquire businesses that fit this strategy and where we see a clear path to private equity-like returns. And lastly, our capital structure and allocation are a key part of our value creation methodology. Our longstanding goal is to give our shareholders private equity-like returns with the liquidity of a public market. To do this, we stay focused on both the details of value creation as well as careful allocation of our capital. As you saw from our earnings release, we delivered another solid quarter with Q3 results exceeding expectations. As a result, we are raising guidance for the year. During the quarter, we saw healthy growth in revenue, both sequentially and compared to the prior year, in all three of our market channels: commercial OEM, commercial aftermarket, and defense.

Mike LismanIn commercial aftermarket, we delivered a strong performance in Q3 with the commercial transport component of our commercial aftermarket growing 18% versus the prior year period. Further, given the strong performance seen to date as well as our current expectations for Q4, we raised our commercial aftermarket guidance for the year. Note that we are seeing this healthy growth despite the overall decline in RPMs arising from the conflict in the Middle East, from which we have yet to see any material impact. In the commercial OEM market, sales have increased well into the double digits as production rates at Boeing and Airbus have continued to steadily rise over the past few quarters. And lastly, our defense end market saw a double-digit revenue increase this quarter and continues to build backlog that will drive growth as we finish fiscal 2026 and head into our fiscal 2027. Our EBITDA as defined margin was 52.8% in the quarter, which includes more than full 2 percentage points of dilution from recent acquisitions.

Mike LismanThis is an improvement sequentially from Q2 with higher volumes and strong performance across all market channels.

Mike LismanThe sequential margin improvement is in spite of margin headwind of about half a percentage point in the quarter related to the newly acquired Jet Parts and Victor Sierra operating units. Our acquisitions continue to contribute meaningfully as well and over time should see an expansion in their respective operating margins. Additionally, we had strong operating cash flow generation in Q3 of over $700 million and ended the quarter with nearly $2.8 billion in cash.

Mike LismanBefore I get into our usual capital allocation update, I would like to quickly provide some additional color on our withdrawal from the acquisition of Stellent in mid-July. This was a difficult decision that came after the Department of Justice notified us that they intended to challenge the transaction. While we respectfully disagreed with the DOJ's decision on the matter, Ultimately, the complications and hurdles that would have arisen from continuing with the acquisition through litigation, coupled with the timeline constraints in the stock purchase agreement, contributed to our decision to withdraw and pursue other targets. At the end of the day, we will always be practical and prioritize the best long-term use of our shareholders' capital and our management resources. We felt we did that here. And the outcome, though disappointing, won't impact our future M&A approach. We are always actively working away on new targets.

Mike LismanNext, an update on our capital allocation activities and priorities. Regarding the current M&A activities in the pipeline, we continue to actively look for opportunities that fit our model. As usual, the potential targets are mostly in the small and midsize range. As always, we'll remain disciplined around our approach to M&A. Additionally, acquisitions are by their nature hard to predict. So consistent with past practice, I will not be saying too much on what is currently active in our funnel. Last week, we announced that we agreed to acquire Prince and Izant from Industrial Growth Partners for approximately $1.1 billion in cash. Prince and Izant is a leading global designer and manufacturer of highly engineered brazing alloys and specialty metal components used across a range of advanced performance and high-cost-of-failure applications. The company primarily supports the aerospace and defense, aero-derivative turbine, and transportation end markets.

Mike LismanIt is expected to generate approximately $360 million of revenue for the 2026 calendar year. We've tracked this Cleveland-based company for some time now, and Prince and Izant's highly engineered solutions and excellent customer service align well with TransDigm's acquisition strategy. We look forward to getting the transaction closed and welcoming the company into the fold.

Mike LismanThe capital allocation priorities at TransDigm are unchanged. Our first priority is to reinvest in our businesses. Second, do accretive, disciplined M&A. And third, return capital to our shareholders via buybacks or dividends. A fourth option, paying down debt, seems unlikely at this time, though we do still take this into consideration. We are continually evaluating all of our capital allocation options. As we sit here today, we have significant liquidity and financial flexibility to meet any likely range of capital requirements or other opportunities in a readily foreseeable future. Specifically, we have substantial M&A firepower and capacity remaining in excess of $10 billion.

Mike LismanMoving to our outlook for fiscal 2026. As noted in our earnings release, our business outlook has continued to strengthen. We are increasing our full fiscal year '26 sales and EBITDA as defined guidance to reflect another solid quarter of results and our current expectations for the remainder of the year. At the midpoint, sales guidance was raised $150 million and EBITDA as defined guidance was raised $100 million. Current guidance for fiscal 2026 is as follows and, and can be also found on slide 6 in the presentation. The midpoint of our fiscal '26 revenue guidance is now $10.51 billion or up approximately 19% over the prior year. With regard to the market channel growth rate assumptions in this revenue guidance, the full-year market channel assumptions for our 3 primary end markets are also being increased to account for our results to date and expectations for the final quarter. The updated revenue guidance provided today is based on the following market channel growth rate assumptions.

Mike LismanWe expect commercial OEM growth in the mid-teens percentage range, We expect commercial aftermarket revenue growth to be in the low double-digit percentage range, and we expect defense revenue growth in the high single-digit to low double-digit percentage range. The midpoint of fiscal 2026 EBITDA as defined guidance is now $5.52 billion, or up approximately 16% versus the prior year, with an expected margin of around 52.5%.

Mike LismanWe're very pleased with our margin performance in the year-to-date period and continue to perform ahead of our expectations.

Mike LismanAs discussed in prior quarters, the guidance includes more than 2 full percentage points of margin dilution related to recent acquisitions compared to the prior fiscal year quarter. The midpoint of adjusted EPS is now expected to be $41.04.

Mike LismanWe believe we're well positioned for the last quarter of fiscal 2026. We'll continue to closely watch how the aerospace and capital markets develop and react accordingly.

Mike LismanLastly, I'd like to reiterate how pleased we are with the company's performance this quarter. Our teams remain focused on our value drivers, cost structure, and operational excellence. We will continue to control what we can control and expect that our disciplined, consistent strategy will deliver the value you have come to expect from us. With that, I will now hand it over to Patrick Murphy, TransDigm's co-COO, to review our recent performance and a few other items.

Patrick MurphyGood morning, everyone. I'll start with our typical review of results by key market category. For the remainder of the call, I'll provide commentary on a pro forma basis compared to the prior year period in 2025. That is, assuming we own the same mix of businesses in both periods. For reference, the market discussion includes the acquisition of Simmonds Precision Products but excludes Jet Parts Engineering and Victor Sierra Aviation acquisitions. Purpose of excluding these newly acquired businesses is for two reasons. First, we are still working through the integration and aligning their data into our reporting structure. Second, we want to highlight the strong aftermarket performance of our base business. Beginning with the fiscal 2027 guidance, Jet Parts and Victor Sierra will be included in pro forma reporting. In the commercial market, we will split our discussion into OEM and aftermarket.

Patrick MurphyOur total commercial OEM revenue increased approximately 17% in Q3 compared with the prior year period. As we anticipated, commercial OEM added another quarter of strong revenue growth. Commercial transport OEM revenues, which excludes the bizjet submarket, were up 25% over the comparable prior period. This is primarily driven by the production improvements at Boeing and Airbus, and our teams are well positioned to support the increasing build rates. As Boeing and Airbus production rates continue to climb, we anticipate continued strength in the commercial OEM market. Commercial OEM bookings posted another quarter of solid growth compared to the same prior year period, significantly outpacing sales. Commercial transport bookings had double-digit growth for the third quarter, which represents another quarter of consistent growth for the commercial OEM market. As you know, commercial OEM bookings is an important leading indicator for our commercial OEM business, and we are pleased that our book-to-bill rate remains solidly positive in Q3.

Patrick MurphyToday's commercial OEM guidance assumes that the OEMs maintain their rates for the remainder of our 2026 fiscal year. The commercial OEM guidance we are giving today contains what we believe is an appropriate level of risk around the production build rate for the 2026 fiscal year. Fiscal '26 commercial OEM revenue guidance range as Mike mentioned, is increasing to the mid-teens percentage growth range based on the performance to date, current outlook for the remainder of our fiscal year. Now moving on into our commercial aftermarket business discussion. Total commercial aftermarket revenue increased by approximately 17% compared with the prior year period. As a reminder, this excludes our newly acquired Jet Parts Engineering and Victor Sierra Aviation businesses. This quarter, nearly all submarkets delivered strong performances in the quarter. Our commercial transport aftermarket revenue growth, which excludes our bizjet submarket, was up 18%, driven by solid growth in the transport submarkets of engine, passenger, and interiors, while freight was roughly flat for the quarter.

Patrick MurphyQ3 bookings in commercial aftermarket delivered ahead of our expectations for the third quarter in a row. Bookings continue to support the full year growth outlook, and we are well positioned to execute our fourth quarter. Additionally, POS at our distributors also grew double digits on a percentage basis this quarter. As Mike already mentioned, we are raising our commercial aftermarket revenue growth guidance from high single digit to low double digit range up to the low double digit range based on our strong performance through Q3, as well as our current backlog and outlook for the remainder of the year. I also wanted to comment briefly on the conflict in the Middle East. While jet fuel prices have risen from pre-conflict levels and select airlines have adjusted capacity in the short term, we have not yet seen any meaningful slowdowns in our commercial aftermarket. Continue to monitor the situation in close partnership with our customers, and we'll take all appropriate actions if something changes.

Patrick MurphyNow shifting to our defense market. Defense market revenue, which includes both OEM and aftermarket revenues, grew by approximately 11% compared with the prior year period. Over the past year, we have seen strong growth in the defense market driven by a combination of new business wins and excellent operational execution from our teams. This positions us well for continued growth in the defense market. Q3 defense revenue growth was well distributed across our businesses and customer base. Both OEM and aftermarket components in our defense market were up versus the prior year, with aftermarket running slightly ahead of OEM. Defense bookings for the quarter increased nicely, up both year over year and sequential, and outpacing sales for the period. Our strong bookings this year support our guidance of high single digits to low double digits. As we have said many times before, defense sales and bookings can be lumpy, especially quarter to quarter.

Patrick MurphyBut the current environment remains positive for defense spending, and the global defense outlook continues to indicate this end market will remain solid heading into next year. Moving on to our value drives. I wanted to touch on a few new business wins that the teams have secured in the last quarter, specifically driven by highly engineered, innovative technical solutions. Adams Rite Aerospace was recently awarded a major line fit position with a leading airframer for its complete touch-free lavatory product suite. The award covers the full portfolio, including a touchless faucet, touchless flush switch, and touchless waste bin door. These products incorporate next-generation sensors and robust aircraft-specific designs engineered to withstand the demanding high-use environment of modern aircraft lavatories. The Avionics Instruments team was engaged by a major supplier of fighter aircraft to develop a new battery for a critical aircraft system when the previous supplier was unable to sustain the program.

Patrick MurphyThe battery powers main aircraft operations during ignition and flight, enabling the platform to carry out diverse and complex missions. Our team took the program from design through qualification and into production in under 2 years, giving the customer a qualified production-ready replacement that kept the warfighter mission ready. Our Electromech business developed a precision electromechanical actuator engineered to control landing gear deployment and retraction on a new unmanned combat aircraft. Compact mission-critical design combines high load capability, precise motion control, reliable performance in demanding flight environments. Canyon AeroConnect developed a new audio indicator capability for its AMU-50 Digital Audio Control System, DACS, to meet a new U.S. Forest Service aircraft requirement. Enhancing pilot situational awareness by providing a visual indication of incoming radio transmissions regardless of audio volume or mute status.

Patrick MurphyThese innovation-driven new product wins will deliver substantial new business revenue over the next 3 years from prototype and LRIP orders as the teams work toward full production. Right now, a quick update on our acquisition integration activities. Simmonds Precision, which was acquired at the beginning of our fiscal year, continues to progress nicely and run ahead of our expectations. Jet Parts and Victor Sierra acquisitions closed early in the third quarter and are also progressing along their expectations. We have experienced EVPs assigned to each of the operating units and are very pleased with the team's progress to date. Still early in our ownership, But these businesses are a good complement to our existing portfolio, and we are excited that they are a part of TransDigm. I would like to wrap up by recognizing the strong contributions of our operating units during this third quarter of fiscal '26.

Patrick MurphyOur management team stayed focused on our consistent operating strategy, executing our value drivers, working hard to satisfy our customers' growing demand. We are truly pleased with the impressive results our teams delivered for our shareholders this quarter. With that, I'd like to turn it over to our Chief Financial Officer, Sarah Wynne.

Sarah WynneThanks, Patrick, and good morning, everyone. I'll recap the financial highlights for the third quarter and then provide some more information on the guidance. First, on organic growth and liquidity. In the third quarter, our organic growth rate was approximately 13%. And all market channels contributed to this growth, as previously discussed by Mike, Patrick. On cash and liquidity, free cash flow, which we traditionally define as EBITDA less cash interest payments, CapEx, cash taxes, was approximately $870 million for the quarter, coming in at $2.1 billion on a year-to-date basis. For the full fiscal year now, we expect our free cash flow guidance to be closer to $2.6 billion, an increase from the prior guide of $2.5 billion. Below that free cash flow line, net working capital consumed approximately $160 million of cash in the quarter. For the full year, we expect working capital to end roughly in line with historical levels as a percentage of sales.

Sarah WynneWe ended the quarter with a cash balance of $2.8 billion and a net debt-to-EBITDA ratio ended the quarter just slightly up from the prior quarter at 5.8x. This cash balance, together with our available debt capacity, gives us ample liquidity to fund the pending Prince and Izant acquisition. More broadly, our strategy is to operate in the 5 to 7 net debt to EBITDA ratio range, which preserves capacity for additional acquisitions and other capital deployment as opportunities arise. Regarding our debt, our capital allocation strategy is to both proactively and prudently manage our debt maturity stacks by keeping near-term maturities well extended. In addition, approximately 75% of our $33.7 billion gross debt balance is fixed through fiscal 2029. This is achieved through a combination of fixed-rate notes, interest rate swaps, caps, and collars. This provides meaningful cushion against any near-term rate moves.

Sarah WynneOur EBITDA interest expense coverage ratio ended the quarter at 3x, which provides us with comfortable cushion versus our target range of 2 to 3. During the quarter, we continued to apply the same targeted return criteria we have consistently applied over the years, and that led us to opportunistically deploy about $980 million of capital via open market repurchases of our common stock. This equates to approximately 800,000 shares at an average purchase price of approximately $1,208 per share. Including our first and second quarter repurchase activity, year-to-date repurchases now total $1.8 billion. We expect these repurchases to meet or exceed our long-term return objectives. We continue to seek the best opportunities for providing value to our shareholders through our capital allocation strategy. We think we remain in a strong position to do that, with adequate flexibility to continue to pursue M&A opportunities or return cash to our shareholders via share buybacks and/or additional dividends.

Sarah WynneWith that, I'll hand it back to Mary Hartman, our Director of Investor Relations.

Sarah WynneBefore we open the line for Q&A, I'd ask everyone in the queue to consider your fellow analysts and ask one question only so we can get to as many people as possible.

Mary HartmanOperator, can you please open the line?

Mary HartmanAs a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question at this time, please press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again.

Mary HartmanOur first question comes from Robert Stallard with Vertical Research.

Robert StallardThanks so much. Good morning.

Mike LismanGood morning.

Robert StallardMike, this might be a question for you. There's been some legislation moving through the Congress on this whole right to repair issue on the defense side. Do you think this could have any implications for TransDigm down the line?

Patrick MurphyRob, this is Patrick. I'll take that. You know, the proposed bill is still evolving, so we don't want to presume or comment until it becomes final. Obviously, I think, you know, this will impact a broad base of companies, platforms, and products, but right now we're not in a position to really comment on something that hasn't become law.

Robert StallardOkay, thanks so much.

OperatorOur next question comes from Ken Herbert with RBC Capital Markets.

Ken HerbertYeah, good morning, Patrick and Mike and Sarah. Hey, I just wanted to ask on— yeah, Mike, maybe on Stellent, did that DOJ review have any impact on your desire for incremental defense M&A? And maybe if you could provide a little bit more detail on what you're seeing in terms of the M&A pipeline today around the end market exposures.

Mike LismanYeah, Ken, this came via the HSR process in the US. And a couple things. First, we think it's a one-off, not in any way indicative of our ability to get future deals through. In fact, the Jet Parts and Victor Sierra transactions, both of which closed successfully, those approvals were actually filed after the Stellent one was filed and submitted. And I think, you know, you followed us for a long time, out of 100 acquisitions in our history, this is the third one that didn't cross the finish line for these kinds of reasons. It just happens from time to time. We were working with the regulatory authority that took a slightly different view on the nature and sensitivity of, of the overlap. And it's always hard, as you got— as you know, how the market gets defined is tough. Different parties can take different views on that. And we were unfortunately not able to come to agreement on this one. With regard to how it affects future strategy, as I tried to address in the comments, it doesn't on the M&A front.

Mike LismanWe're seeing a lot of activity. Presently across both commercial and defense markets in aerospace, and the team, our M&A team, remains very busy looking through a current list of targets.

Ken HerbertGreat. Thanks for the color, Mike.

Mike LismanSure.

OperatorOur next question comes from Gavin Parsons with UBS.

Gavin ParsonsThank you. Morning.

Mike LismanMorning, guys.

Gavin ParsonsUsually your aftermarket activity lags flight activity by maybe a couple quarters, so just, uh, sounds like you have good visibility for this quarter, but thoughts on why the, the strength and why the disconnect relative to flight activity, if that'll catch up to you? Thanks.

Patrick MurphyYeah, it's probably one of those things where you're right, uh, our backlog, our leading indicators put us in a good position to deliver the current quarter and fiscal year. It's tough to say whether what that will mean in the future, right? Things continue to evolve. One quarter is really hard for us to predict 3, 4 quarters out at this point in time. So we can only control what we control. Our aftermarket sort of books and ships 50% of or so in the same quarter, and that's what we've got the most visibility to at this time.

Mike LismanAnd I just add, Gavin, we're, you know, as Patrick and I both said in our comments, we're just— we're just not seeing any material impact on our business from what's going on in the Middle East and some of the changes in RPM and takeoffs and landing rates yet.

Gavin ParsonsGot it. Thank you.

OperatorOur next question comes from Sheila Kahyaoglu with Jefferies.

Sheila KahyaogluThank you and good morning, Mike. Maybe just to follow up on the last question, can you talk about commercial aftermarket in the quarter, up 17% versus the 14% in Q2? Can you just parse out the drivers of that, maybe across engines? You mentioned freight is flat. How was interiors and airframe work? And if you could just discuss the moving pieces there. Thank you.

Patrick MurphyYeah, Sheila, I would just say that in general we're seeing a broad-based demand across all of our platforms and customers. We are seeing more strength in engine and in passenger, which is a bigger part of our aftermarket, and we're seeing good strength though in interiors.

Mike LismanFreight, we've seen good strength all year. Q3 was a little lighter than, than we had seen earlier, but overall good across all submarkets.

Sheila KahyaogluOkay, thank you.

OperatorOur next question comes from Kristine Liwag with Morgan Stanley.

Kristine LiwagHey guys, morning. Mike, the stock's valuation seems relatively range-bound for some time, and the concern has been that, you know, with TransDigm's size, it might be increasingly difficult to find aerospace acquisitions. That are large enough to move the needle. And look, you've announced a few of these, but, you know, the stock's still not moving. I guess, you know, in the past, the market awarded TransDigm with more of a premium multiple because of the focus on aerospace defense. But now that this perceived ceiling appears to be contributing to more discounted valuation, I was wondering what your appetite is for potentially broadening out the targets and look at other industrial markets that meet the business characteristics of your criteria, which are, you know, proprietary with strong aftermarket? Just because, you know, if you look at companies like Amphenol, I mean, they're even trading at a higher multiple than you, and they've got, you know, they're able to apply their playbook in a much larger addressable market just outside of aerospace and defense.

Mike LismanSure, happy to take that one. I'd say a couple of things at this time. We remain primarily focused on looking at the aerospace and defense sector. That is 95% of our current revenue. It is what we do. It's the sectors we know. Year to date, we've done— once Prince and Izant gets closed— well north of $3 billion of acquisitions of companies that primarily serve our core aerospace and defense end market. That's where the M&A team is currently spending the bulk of their time. You know, in the fullness of time, could we potentially branch out and consider other things? That's always a potential chance. But as we sit here today, the focus remains on aerospace and defense. And that's, that's where, that's what's getting the bulk of our time. We're pretty excited about Jet Parts and Victor Sierra. As Patrick mentioned in some of the comments, it's early innings there. We're excited about Prince and Izant, look forward to getting that one closed as well.

Mike LismanAnd we still see good opportunities from here on out in sort of our core fairway of aerospace and defense, and it's where the focus is going to remain at this time.

Kristine LiwagGreat, thank you very much.

Mike LismanSure.

OperatorOur next question comes from David Strauss with Wells Fargo.

David StraussThanks. Good morning.

Mike LismanGood morning.

David StraussMike, hey Mike, could you just talk on the margin performance year-to-date and what you're expecting in Q4? I know you've talked about like 200 basis points of dilution from deals and then headwind from ROE-related growth, but it looks like you're going to come in more like 140, 150 bps down year over year. Year, so a lot less than kind of what's implied by those, you know, different moving pieces. So if you could just touch on the performance year to date and, you know, Q4 looks like you're implying a little bit down relative to Q3. Thanks.

Sarah WynneHi, David. This is Sarah. I'll answer maybe the latter part of your question and let Mike kind of fill in on some more of the color and detail there. Yeah, obviously we're glad to increase our guidance. EBITDA margins up to 25.5%, an extra 20 basis points on that. And obviously Q3 came in strong at 52.8%. So it does imply a drop for Q4. Hopefully on— for the Q4, we hope to be conservative. You know, we've got a full quarter now of Jets and Victor, but we just got them and we have some strong OEM and other growth there. So hopefully some conservatism on that. If you look at it year over prior year, Yeah, there's a 200 basis point increase because obviously we've got Simmonds in Q1, so we've got a full year of Simmonds, and then also with Jets and Victor halfway through that year as well. So that plays into some of the dilution. But I'll let Mike chime in on any other color on the market.

Mike LismanYeah, David, I would just add the, you know, it's— we got a lot of dilution because of the acquisitions we completed that weighed us down more than 2 full percentage points. So that's contributed. And we're in the early innings of owning those businesses just for a couple of months or so. So we certainly don't want to get out over our skis in terms of the margin assumptions for Q4. We don't think we gave any on the margins incredibly aggressive guidance as we sit here today for Q4. As you know, we'll always push it here and try to outperform and, and do better. We think that's certainly in the cards for Q4.

David StraussAll right, thanks very much.

Mike LismanSure.

OperatorOur next question comes from Myles Walton with Wolfe Research.

Myles WaltonHey, good morning. I was hoping you can touch on Jet Parts and Victor Sierra. I know you mentioned it wasn't in the pro forma breakdown by end market, but I guess I thought it was all commercial aftermarket. And then could you comment on what you saw actually in the almost full quarter of ownership of growth relative to your 17% market growth in commercial?

Mike LismanYeah, Myles, it's Mike. I'll take that one. You know, we're early in owning the businesses. As Patrick said in his comments, the intent was nothing more than to show the strong commercial aftermarket performance of our base businesses, the core starting stores from TransDigm at the start of the year, and that was the goal. With regard to whether Jet Parts or Victor Sierra were in or out for the quarter, it doesn't materially change the percentage growth that we saw. All businesses are performing well. I think you know on Jet Parts and Victor Sierra, as we said on prior earnings calls, these are businesses that are growing at a really good clip. You know, not explosive growth, but growth that's a little bit ahead of what the broader aerospace and defense components landscape is seeing. We're happy to own them. We're happy to be able to partake in some of that growth. It's a critical part of why we bought these businesses, and we're happy to own them.

Mike LismanAnd so far, it's been so good in these first couple months of ownership.

OperatorOur next question comes from Scott Mikus with Melius Research.

Mike LismanMorning.

Scott MikusMike, Prince and Izant, it provides brazing alloys that are often nickel or cobalt-based and used in engines. Just given the advanced materials, is it fair to assume that Prince and Izant has significantly higher content on the 737 MAX and A320neo relative to the predecessor programs? Given that they were re-engined?

Mike LismanHey, Scott. Morning. I would say, you know, we've not specifically disclosed content on recent acquisitions on specific platforms. As we said in the comments, this is a good business. We're excited to own it. It serves primarily our end markets, proprietary content unique to the applications they serve. Really customized stuff in terms of the chemistry and formulations they bring and provide to the end customer. It's mostly aftermarket, serving a large install base. We're familiar with the applications across some of our existing businesses, and it's got, you know, decent content on within aerospace and defense on engine platforms, things like fuel nozzles, rocket engines. So, you know, good content, sort of right down the fairway for us in terms of fit with broader TransDigm. Excited to own it.

OperatorOur next question comes from Gautam Khanna with TD Securities.

Gautam KhannaYeah, thanks. Good morning, guys.

Mike LismanMorning.

Gautam KhannaWas wondering, because you've done some buybacks year to date, how you prioritize, you know, special dividends, like how likely are we to see one of those given the other things you commented about with the M&A pipeline? This is about the time where one gets announced if there is to be one. So just your view on buybacks versus dividends in the absence of M&A.

Patrick MurphyYeah.

Sarah WynneSure. This is Sarah. I'll take that one. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. And obviously we continue to assess both options of buybacks and dividends. Obviously, on the buybacks, it has got to follow the criteria of meeting the same IRR returns. So that is what plays into our thinking on repurchases. And then as we look to dividends, ultimately, we are sitting comfortably at the midpoint of our net debt-to-EBITDA ratio range of 5 to 7. And so we will continue to see what makes the most sense as we evaluate both of those options, which you know we do. We obviously want to maximize the shareholder value with these decisions, and so as we look to close out both the fiscal year and the calendar year, we will look to make what makes the most sense on those decisions.

OperatorOur next question comes from Seth Seifman with JPMorgan.

Seth SeifmanThanks very much and good morning. I wanted to follow up on one of the margin questions that David asked earlier, you know, coming into this year, you talked about dilution not just from the M&A but also from mix. And I guess maybe the aftermarket has turned out a little bit better than expected this year. But as we go forward, how do you think about mix as a component of what we should expect from margin? When I was listening to last quarter's call, it seemed like you kind of still expect that 100, 150 basis points expansion in the organic business almost regardless of mix. So maybe if you can update us on your thoughts about mix and how it affects margin.

Mike LismanYeah, I would say, you know, constant mix, that the target's the same for year-over-year margin improvement. We've always been able to and continue to this year in our base businesses drive margin improvement on a constant mix basis of 1 percentage point or slightly better, maybe up to a percentage and a half. That's unchanged. That's not going to change any time in the near, in the near future either. Going forward, we expect to be able to continue to drive that same kind of performance. With regard to whether or not you take a bit of headwind from mix shift, that can happen from time to time. It amounts to like a couple tenths of a point though on the margin, usually not anything material. At least that's what we're seeing year to date with both commercial OEM and aftermarket growing, albeit OEM a little bit better. So slight headwind, but nothing that weighs you down and we think will prevent us from hitting something close to our targets or within the goalposts, the two ends of the target range that I provided.

OperatorOur next question comes from Ronald Epstein with Bank of America.

Alex PrestonHey, this is Alex Preston for Ron this morning. Thank you. Just on commercial OE, you explained the assumptions behind the '26 guide, but I'm curious if you could maybe comment on your view on the OE ramps into 4Q and fiscal '27, and maybe more broadly, if you can update us on the supply chain, if conditions are still easing as in prior quarters, or if there are any areas where there may be lingering issues still.

Patrick MurphyYeah, uh, Alex, this is Patrick Murphy. Uh, yeah, obviously, as we mentioned, we're pretty excited about the growth that we're seeing from Airbus and from Boeing as they ramp up those growth rates year over year. It's been a nice boost to us this year. Our bookings continue to be a good leading indicator, and as we look at Q4, this is still a strong part of our business. Now, as we get into 2027, we believe that Boeing and Airbus are well positioned to continue to march along the path that they've put forth, and we're in a great position to support them on that. So we just are seeing, you know, positive growth here along the lines that Boeing and Airbus are communicating, and our businesses are in line to support that. The supply chain as a whole we think is reasonably solid, but it's something we continue to monitor, right? This is a very broad-based supply chain. You see the same things out there that we see.

Patrick MurphyOur suppliers have performed well enough to continue to keep us in a good position, and that's what we aim to do for Boeing and Airbus.

OperatorOur next question comes from Scott Deuschle with Deutsche Bank.

Scott DeuschleHi, good morning. Mike or Patrick, just to follow up on Rob's earlier question and to ask it another way, can you give us a sense as to how many SKUs the defense business sells and the average volume on those SKUs? Like, is this a 1,000 SKU business in which 100 repairs or PMAs could have a big impact on your growth, or is it more like a 50,000 SKU business where it would be a lot harder for third-party repairs to impact your growth? Thank you.

Mike LismanYes, Scott, it's Mike. I'll take that one. You know, on this, the legislation is changing quite a bit, so we're hesitant, as Patrick said, to step out and try to assess its final form just because there are so many moving parts right now. It's really hard to step out and opine, but broadly speaking, our defense business in aggregate is numerous SKUs. Think tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, not just thousands, but a big bucket of parts sold broadly, largely derived from commercial technologies. And that's what comprises the bulk of what we provide to defense customers, not just in the US but also globally.

Mike LismanSo I think as, as the legislation comes into more final form on future calls, we'll be in a better position to give more, have more of a concrete discussion on it.

OperatorThat concludes today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the call back to Mary Hartman for closing remarks.

Mary HartmanThank you all for joining us today. This concludes the call. We appreciate your time and have a good rest of your day.

OperatorThank you for participating. You may now disconnect.